RAM: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 3000mHz 16GB DDR4 (2x8GB) RGB, Motherboard: Asus ROG Strix X370-F Gaming ATX, PSU: Corsair RM650i 650W 80+ Gold Fully Modular, Fans: 4x Cooler Master Masterfan Pro 120 Air Balance. The pull is where it's mounted behind the radiator (usual position) and pulls air through the radiator and exhausts the air across the engine compartment. Push vs Pull vs Push/Shroud vs Pull/Shroud 25mm Fan - 1350 RPM SirNapkin1334 Push/Push came out at 9.1C, which is barely any better than just one fan in push. THe air can go around. Either way, pushing the case air from inside the case, through the rad, and out or pulling the case air through the rad and to the outside (fan in front, or behind the radiator) won't make a ⦠Also in the front under the radiator or at the bottom with the PSU? r1cky- When the fans are placed in front of the radiator and air pushes through them itâs called «push». Oh, Thank you for the advice! Exhausting air form inside the case through a radiator may give you a few degrees higher CPU temp in games because GPU makes a lot of hot air. Fan/Radiator combo are mounted inside the case, fans are not located on chassis rails - main reason is to create a larger channel for intake air to flow. Fans that pull are more efficient due to the vehicles motion and the ability to have more space to force incoming air from the ground via air deflectors aimed at the heat exchanger assembly! Posted in New Builds and Planning, By These are usually the factory location for electric fans. Cooler: Corsair H150i PRO RGB 360mm Liquid Cooler i would not use a fan in the bottom behind the psu because that dust filter is annoying to get out + cleaning the fan in the front is just easier. What you should do though, is consider switching to better, double ball bearing, or hydraulif fluid bearing fans in 120mm, or use 4 of those 120mm fans with the radiator sandwiched between each pair. Front radiator push pull. The stock auto Supra has the single mechanical fan, a small electrical pull fan on the driver's side and a larger push style as well on the driver's side. Using radiator as intake on the other hand hardly effects GPU temps in game. You do not want a fan infront of the radiator as a pusher. There will be a few degrees difference if you use the radiator on top than in front. For the Hyper 212 LED, I ⦠It makes for a hugely fan sandwich of fan/rad/fan, but it's effective. loumagoo I'm new to building computers and I'm not sure if it is better to pull the air inside my case through the radiator and out or to push air from the outside in? Posted in New Builds and Planning, By GeneralGusher Echus100 For example, my AIO is pushing air out of the back with 1 extra exhaust fan (total of 3) and there's 3 intake fans. Pull fans: these fans pull air through the radiator and are located on the engine side of the radiator. in front of the radiator or condenser, they need to be push. Posted in CPUs, Motherboards, and Memory, By Fresh airflow enters through the grille, then is pushed through the radiator core, and exits out the back side of the radiator. Basically, putting it on the front means:  - The rest of your build will be slightly warmer because of the hot air leaving the radiator. CPU: Ryzen 2700X my name is guru iam tech So in other words FOR EQUIVALENT NOISE â Push/Pull on ANY radiator out performs Push on ANY radiator. Not really the air is already going to go through and since the loop is constantly dissipating the heat through the fins so it will stay cool. TONS of people have asked me about fan configurations for radiators and heatsinks. Radiator Fan 12V 80W. A-Team Performance 130031 Electric Radiator Cooling Fan Cooler Heavy Duty Wide Curved 10 S Blades 12V 3000 CFM Reversible Push or Pull with Mounting ⦠Either way, pushing the case air from inside the case, through the rad, and out or pulling the case air through the rad and to the outside (fan in front, or behind the radiator) won't make a huge difference either way. with running this setup you can also keep the top closed of with the sound dampening material. Push trim: The fan(s) suck in the air as if it/they were installed on top the radiator and "push" the air across the radiator fins. RAM: 16GB (2x8) Trident Z RGB 3200MHZ Pull â electric radiator fans come in two different types â push and pull. Potato Laptop (Samsung Series 5 Ultrabook, 2013): RAM: 8GB DDR3 2133mhz SODIMM (1x4GB Samsung, 1x4GB Kingston), SSD: Kingston 24GB SSD (originally for caching), You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. Please explain your question fully, so I can answer it fully. By the way, why an AIO with a Ryzen 1600? @safredAAs, you do not want the fans pulling air through the radiator if you put it on top, the dust build up will/should annoy you. Pusher fans mount on the grille side (front) of the radiator core and push air through the radiator core. The H100i is a 240mm radiator, meaning it takes a pair of 120mm fans. Where should i mount that then? Make sure you get static pressure fans for the radiator and put the same fans in front. If you have an overheating problem, I recommend getting an alluminum Radiator for about $350.00 no. So if you do push in then you will send in more heat to your components. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated! PSU Tier List Cooler Tier List SSD Tier List  My Specs Below! Pull/Pull came out at 8.9C which a little better, but still not worthwhile. Push-pull is not really useful with nowadays rads. Started 26 minutes ago AntonioMarius Depending on the physical arrangement of the fan and airflow path, when air is pushed in by a fan at the front end, dust will accumulate to some extent on the screen and blades. I also have a 140mm fan from the case left that is currently running in the front pulling air in. With its overall thickness of 3.26 inch and an overall diameter of 16.73 inches, the AUTOSAVER88 Black⦠Started 30 minutes ago At first I did a intake push through the rad. Ok so it performs better and is quieter but what about money? Bottom line, if you want to run two fans, run one on either side of the radiator in a push/pull configuration. There's advantages & disadvantaged for all of them. This way we can assess whether fan configuration makes much difference whether you are using a radiator or a more typical heatsink tower. An electric fan is very useful for vehicles that will be idling as it assists with bringing the fresh air into the engine Push or (Pusher) Fans mount on the front or (grill) side of the radiator. I'm not an expert on fans, but, the "push/pull" goes like this....pushing is where it's mounted in front of the radiator, and blows back through the radiator AND the engine compartment. Here is an example, in a normal pc the air is just going to find an opening to leave like here http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/Computer_case_coolingair_flow.png, The way you would have it is like this where the radiator is just added and all the hot air will still be able to be released but going through the radiator. here is an example Started 14 minutes ago If, however, the fans are behind the radiator and they pull the air through them, thatâs called «pull». Messages: 12,104 Likes Received: 19 GPU: 2xTitan XM@1590Mhz-CH20. Pusher fans are used typically where there is a limited amount of space for a properly sized puller fan. Pretty much no difference, just do whatever balances the airflow better. Posted in Troubleshooting, By If you put it in the from thne leave the filter because you will have to use the fans as intakes. 2x 140mm Phanteks front case fans removed. Behind they need to be pull. Posted in Troubleshooting, By You can attach fans to both sides of the radiators. Page 2 of 2 < Prev 1 2. ©2021 PCPartPicker, LLC. Notice that the fan is located on the radiator hose side of the radiator. http://i46.tinypic.com/2zp0ck2.jpg. And honestly, you get some pretty big diminishing returns when you do push/pull unless you are using a thick radiator (50mm +). And I will set up 3 Aer F120 120mm Case fans at the top and 1 Aer F140 140mm Case fan at the back to ⦠Posted in Troubleshooting, Linus Media Group BezneaMihai Push, pull, or push/pull? If you use the top put the fans to push the air up through the top and remove the filter thing on top for more air to go out the top. Push or pull type (Remove the bolt at center of the fan, and reverse the fan blades). They push fresh air that enters from the grill through the radiator. Posted in Audio, By The result is decreased airflow ranging from a small percentage for some dust on the blade edges, to double-digits if the screen gets clogged. If you are going to use a slim profile fan push/pull would be necessary to achive any real performance in which case you'd be better off with a standard 25mm thick with High Static pressure designed for a radiator in pull only Space is always your first consideration, but where space is not an issue push/pull always increases performance. Should I sell my whole system, or each part individually? If the fans have high static presure, the airflow will be OK even passing through a radiator. Power Supply: Corsair HX1000i Platinum-Rated, Radiator Fans: 3x Corsair ML120 front of the case placement. Dominic Moass December 28, 2016 Cooling, Featured Tech Reviews When I built my first PC a few years back, I ⦠By If you setup a pull from the inside to the outside, it'll be easier to clean the radiator. How should i configure my AIO cooling what would you recommend? reason 1: your GPU temps won't be affected by a front mounted rad. Now if you want better cooling, put identical fans on both sides of the radiator, and use both, or all four fans (depending on rad size) to increase airflow through the fins. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/Computer_case_coolingair_flow.png, http://www.overclockers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=111511&d=1339592332. Recent build: Meshify C / The 1080TI Strix Noctua mod / Define S X58 Xeon build / Specs: i7 8700k 5.1GHz - Asus GTX 1080TI Strix OC - Corsair vengeance 16GB - Asus Z370 ROG Maximus X Hero - Fractal Meshify C TG White - EVGA 850W Supernova G2 80+ Gold - Fractal Celsius S36, This is a very informational and helpful video that should answer your questions. reason 2:with a OPEN style GPU cooler (that exhaust the hot air into the case) will affect the CPU temps if the radiator would be placed in the top. Results - On Prime95 after an hour, I got 84c on a i9 9900k 5.0 all cores at v1.30. Started 9 minutes ago Veteran Ancient Guru. Now I'm getting 70c max with an average 58c. So if I get the corsair h100i I should replace the 120mm fans and use 140mm fans? By: AUTOSAVER88. Sign up for a new account in our community. with the extra fan in front as well for extra intake and one fan in the back for exhaust. Push or pull makes no difference for the radiator. Pull fans mount on the inside of the radiator, and they pull the air across the radiator. Push, pull or push/pull after all? Motherboard: ASUS Crosshair VII Hero It will keep your computer cooler. and let them also pull air through the radiator. The push style do pull fresh air, but there is no guarantee that they will push it through the radiator. Testing push vs pull vs push/pull. Radiator Fan + Mounting Kit. aaronnickols27 Don't know what your getting at really As soon as you start driving, the fan will never be able to pull air against the air movement from driving. I would use pull for a front rad, that way you can see if a fan dies or something, and the front of the rad will be easier to clean just by removing the front panel and filter. Linus Media Group is not associated with these services. mihaivoicu_ TOP PCI-E lane doesnt recieve all the bandwith it should get, I just built my first ever PC, and everything looks great, besides when I go on storage on bios there is no SSD identified. reasons why i prefere radiators in the front. I'm keeping everything else the way it was for anyone who might check out my answers in future, but I won't be using LTT. Yes more fans = more money. It was very helpful and i'll definitely be using that set up. Kimbie, you can run an H100i in push or pull fashion within the Air240 case. Started 18 minutes ago Case Fans: 4x be quiet! The video above shows 2 -120s in the top of the case during all tests and he even got a 10c rise with the top rad and fans because the case wasn't exhausting enough GPU  heat fast enough I assume thru the radiator which is added restriction at the top. Maximum Fan RPM: 2,250 rpm. Don't forget to quote me when replying to me! its better to push the air outside. A push fan mounts between the radiator and the outside of the car â it pushes air from the outside through the radiator. Pull fans: these fans pull air through the radiator and are located on the engine side of the radiator. Maximum Fan CFM: 1730 cfm. And every PC setup is different as well, so try them all and see what works best in your case. I recently went push/pull (same configs/same mount). Posted in Programs, Apps and Websites, By (i've seen up to 10C higher), reason3: a front mounted radiator in pull is easier to clean as well (yes even tho you have a dust filter you will get dust in). When the air goes through the radiators its picking up the warm air. I will mount the radiator at the front and use Noctua 3000 RPM fans to push air through the radiator and NZXT 2000 RPM fans to pull air into PC. If you try to purchase exhaust fan then better to by more diameter fan for air out. Push vs. Difference between Push and Pull Fans. Powered by Invision Community, Let's create a new but old pc. would pushing hot air from the case through the radiator cause the liquids temperature to to raise? I planned to mount the radiator into the front ..... assuming the AIO cooler tubes are long enough i would place the radiator in the front. Discussion in 'General Hardware' started by W@w@Y, Feb 1, 2017. Air outside to inside I have found does lower my CPU temp vs the reverse. Posted in Laptops and Pre-Built Systems, By It is min 2 exhaust fan and 1 intake air fan should be required. Started 24 minutes ago These are usually the factory location for electric fans. The only thing that will happen is your room will be hotter. Just do push out.  - Your CPU will be a little warmer (the radiator pulls in the warmer exhaust air from the case). Started 20 minutes ago I planned to mount the radiator into the front (filtered material there and intakes in the front panel in the Fractal Define S Window) with the fans pulling air through the Radiator into the case. If you plan to run fans in the top, it will be a tight squeeze, and the front ⦠If you want to use a push and pull system on your radiator, this will give you a more consistent speed of air moving through the radiator and makes ⦠Are you overclocking? A cleaner radiator certainly performs better than a dirty one and if it's a pain to clean then it is less likely to get done regularly. If you mean the pice covers, is that being sucked in or just floating in? There is enough room inside the chassis to mount push/pull wholly in the case and still have clearance for a very long GPU card (More than 320mm) reason3: a front mounted radiator in pull is easier to clean as well (yes even tho you have a dust filter you will get dust in) with running this setup you can also keep the top closed of with the sound dampening material. Started 4 minutes ago Include hardware for easy zip tie mounting. level 2 Kaison12345 Silent Wings 3. Started 1 minute ago Which do I recommend? My suggestion Push/pull.  - The rest of your components won't be as hot. It's easy! (Really old hardware like in the days of windows 98). Today i will get my last part for my new rig, the beQuiet Silent Loop 240mm! SSD: Samsung 960 EVO NVME SSD 1TB, Intel 1TB NVME, Graphics Card: Asus ROG Strix GTX 1080Ti OC, Case: Phanteks Evolv X Â, If your keeping the top closed off your probably not exhausting enough air for a big non blower GPU. Depending on the graphics card length, you can also run a push-pull setup like I do for my personal system at home. You NEVER EVER want a fan in front of the radiator as a PULLER. I try and use "pull" as often as I can because it does not force dust/stuff into the fins of the radiator like "push" does. Push/Pull still comes in at 85%+, and the highest Push radiator is only at 70%. http://www.overclockers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=111511&d=1339592332. Pull trim: the fan(s) suck in the air as if/they were installed below the radiator and "pull" the air across the radiator fins. I have a x72.  Also remember heat rises.Â. Feel free to try either configuration, as this tends to differ slightly between builds. Posted in Troubleshooting, By Started 30 minutes ago The other option would be mounting it into the top (tho i have to remove my sound dampening blocks on the top for that and also no filter material there!) 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